TBS Gemini

[SafetyGuy]

Have you guys seen this? New TBS mini Hex racer spec

http://fpvlab.com/forums/showthread.php?32545-Announcing-the-TBS-GEMINI-fpv-racer-mini-hex

[Biffa]

More over priced pap for the fan boys?

[kilby]

Looks nice, looks like everything is built in but it doesn';t really interest me.

More interested in what flight controller they are using The Tau Labs guys seem to like the Quantron.

Not sure that I would like the idea of having to get the modular ESC & FC package, also not so sure about the forward leaning motors either.

For the sort of flying they seem to be saying this is for perhaps a slight angle of the two rear most rotors to give better yaw would have been better.

Battery choices also seem to be a bit limited ATM

[nub]

don';t know the price but i';m actually quite liking that after seeing the 8 sec video of FFF i like the titled motors, makes it rather rapid in level flight.

[kilby]

Tee hee look at post 10 http://fpvlab.com/forums/showthread.php?32545-Announcing-the-TBS-GEMINI-fpv-racer-mini-hex

Trappy is grumpy already.

Wether people like TBS/Trappy or not it looks nice and I';m pretty sure that it will do what it';s supposed to do

[nub]

its a bloody clone

[Biffa]

its a bloody clone

Yeah but it';s been redesigned quite a bit...

[kilby]

its a bloody clone

Little bit unfair

http://shrediquette.blogspot.co.uk/

Yer man (as they say here) has some mad designs and seems to do a lot of work for other people.

I do like the fact that it isn';t a regular H or a cut down Disco, I get the feeling that it';s flying on something very similar to a full Naze or CC3D board

[Biffa]

Little bit unfair

It';s not unfair considering that chump came on here shouting the odds about the White Sheep!

[teslahed]

4 amp ESCs and 4 inch props. It';s not going to compete directly with the blackout mini H with 5 and 6 inch props and 12 amp ESCs and other similar mini quad designs. It';s going to fly quite differently. I doubt it will handle wind as well just because it will have less power and probably less weight as well and i wouldn';t expect it to necessarily nail the fast dives in the same way either, but it might be a lot of fun for flying very fast round trees in a small bit of park.

What i find amusing is the way trappy was bigging the design up in the preview thread before claiming ';they'; had been working on it for the last 2 years. Well; i think Mr Shrediquette has perhaps been working on it the last couple of years, TBS saw it, decided they needed to do something like that and gave him a load of money. I';d be happy if i was the original designer and if i was buying one I';d be happy that it';s not from the guy who designed the TBS frame with it';s crappy plastic arms and less than optimal motor layout.

It will be interesting to see how it handles in comparison with a conventional mini quad with more powerful motors and higher current rated ESCs.

The price does seem pretty high for what it is though. I imagine they will sell because of the TBS fanboys as Biffa says.

I';m not going to rush out to replace my mini H quad with the sunnysky 2300kv motors and 5 (soon to be 6) inch props. I don';t think it';s a fundamentally better design in any way unless you are really short on space.

[kilby]

Would rather buy one from the Dutch bloke who ';helped'; design it

Btw as long as they paid the designer I won';t cry foul

[miniconverter]

I don';t like it and I don';t like him  and that';s without meeting him. Don';t dislike it because of him just think its another same old mini with no particular benefit at what will be a ridiculous price.

[teslahed]

When asked about the previously claimed 15 meters per second climb rates trappy has said;

no, we had to stray a bit from that to keep some issues in check. it will still probably climb at 10-12m/s, but not 15m/s anymore. I don';t want to get into too much detail to educate the competition, but once you get into high power frames it starts getting tricky

So nothing at all special. My homebrew frame with it';s 4 sunnysky motors does that right now and that';s with the 5 inch props on 3 cells. If i upgrade to 4 cells or 6 inch props on 3 cells (definitely doing one or the other at some point soonish) I';ll trounce the performance of the thing. And my ';teslaquad mini H'; whilst nice and well designed (IMO at least) isn';t any better than any one of half a dozen or so other similar designs.

So the performance isn';t going to be stunning. The selling points will be ease of setup and nice packaging for the TBS fanboys who want to get into mini quads but aren';t sure about doing it the proper way and going out, buying bits and getting their hands dirty.

All up weight is 380 grams. That';s pretty light for a mini so it';s basically the next weight class down from what most of us are currently flying as mini quads. That at least makes it stand out from the crowd if nothing else does but reduced weight has down sides as well as up sides if it also comes with reduced power levels. The power to weight ratio is going to be similar to the minis we are currently flying, it';s just both are at reduced levels.

[Biffa]

I think I';d prefer a Hubsan

[fruitsalad]

more overpriced tat...
will wait for the clone version...

[kilby]

The Dutch guy seems to use a balsa epoxy sandwich technique,  I wonder what';s in this one

[tupoar]

The Dutch guy seems to use a balsa epoxy sandwich technique,  I wonder what';s in this one

Not wanting to give too much away to the competition, I can tell you that it contains TBS dust, that magical ingredient that means they can charge whatever they want.

Oh yea, its also clone proof.

[Jimbodiddly]

I';ll be interested to see what clone variants look like, I can imagine it being expensive to say the least. A bit too much like blackouts spider hex.


Jim

[teslahed]

$600 they say.

It';ll be like a smaller version of the blackout hex for people that can';t build their own from a kit / components. It will weigh less and have less total power. I expect power to weight ratios will be similar or possibly slightly less good.

The blackout hex will be better at speed in a large field and the TBS might have a slight edge if flying in a smaller area with more obstacles due to the reduced size and weight.

Because of who';s designed it (not TBS) and the fact the components are likely to be at least reasonable quality (thanks to the high price and TBS gear) i expect it will actually fly well. Despite what i think of TBS i';m not going to lie and claim i know it';ll be crap - i don';t believe that.

I just don';t think it';ll be worth the high price or be the game changer / that much better than everything else that TBS would have you believe.

[kilby]

Wondering if they are getting any real benefit from it being a hex, though their power requirements do seem to be quite low going from the esc size.

To be honest I';m a bit confused about the market that they';re after. Would think that a slightly larger machine with larger props would be a better racer for outdoors

Have to say that it might be a nice size for indoor flying during the winter season, but for that a very small tri, Y6 or VTail would be a better option.

[nub]

The blackout hex will be better at speed in a large field and the TBS might have a slight edge if flying in a smaller area with more obstacles due to the reduced size and weight.

i don';t know it might be quite a close comp with the Gemini having those slightly titled motors, that';s going to make a bit of a difference in the angle of attack/turbulence when flying in FFF.

i think it may just make a very nice mini fpv racer.

[Chami82923]

Disappointed, after trappy was on this forum spouting on about people ripping of their disco design, very surprised they have gone down the same route!

I';ll stick with my 250 quad which is my absolute favourite to fly!

Callum

[Marty McFly]

i don';t know it might be quite a close comp with the Gemini having those slightly titled motors, that';s going to make a bit of a difference in the angle of attack/turbulence when flying in FFF.

i think it may just make a very nice mini fpv racer.

I think with the slightly tilted motors you will get better stability,just my thought';s,Marty and the borrowed doggie, :scotland:

[Hands0n]

That $600 is a lot of money for what this is, but like any famous brand the label itself carries quite a large slice of the price tag.  Is it worth that amount of cash?  Not to me, but there are going to be plenty of people who will buy into this for the simplicity of it being pretty much a ready build and with little to do to get it in the air.   It may be a challenger for DJI';s Phantom, particularly for the Americans who much prefer to buy home-brew stuff than anything foreign.  And I think the fanboy angle has been covered off already.

I quite like the idea of a mini-hex, and the design itself looks interesting enough. Over here I expect that it will sell for £600 or as near as.  And for that price there is a lot of other choice available. 

Will we see one buzzing the general public in Oxford Street any time soon?

[nub]

well if someone tries to hit me with it i';ll be keeping a hold of it

but aye seems like silly money for what it is to me if its going to cost around £600.

[Cockney Boy]

£380 at current exchange rate. Is it possible to make an equivalent for the same price?


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[Hands0n]

£380 at current exchange rate. Is it possible to make an equivalent for the same price?


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True, but conventionally we in the UK tend to see the $ symbol changed to a £ for US imports. The blame being attributed to shipping, distribution, duties and taxes. 

Could you make an equivalent? I think so. These mini-H quads are building out around £220 It can';t cost much to add two arms, motors and ESC

[Biffa]

True, but conventionally we in the UK tend to see the $ symbol changed to a £ for US imports. The blame being attributed to shipping, distribution, duties and taxes. 

I was going to say the same

[teslahed]

i don';t know it might be quite a close comp with the Gemini having those slightly titled motors, that';s going to make a bit of a difference in the angle of attack/turbulence when flying in FFF.

What effect do tilted motors really have and why? I will admit to not being sure of the benefits. The only obvious advantage to me is that in fast forward flight the camera will be tilted down at the ground (you can get the same effect just by tilting the camera alone like i do) and also the props overlap without being in danger of hitting each other (so a smaller footprint without losing too much efficiency, like a partial coaxial effect).

[nub]

it would make for less turbulence at the same angle of motor/prop, which would make the quad slightly faster, in theory, i think

maybe it';s not so important with a smaller compact quad like this but with a larger 450ish quad it would make a difference IMHO.

ach was just a flying thought anyways, as i was looking at a titled quad a few weeks ago and thinking of building one.