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Which first 3d printer - unexpected Xmas present!!!
« on: December 18, 2018, 12:49:55 »
It looks like my Christmas present (Mobula7) won't arrive by Christmas and my partner has got it into her head that I might like a 3d printer, looks like hinting works  ::)
I have always loved the idea of creating things on a 3d printer but always had 'better' things to buy at birthdays Christmas etc (like more quads or batteries  ::) )

So to get it in time for Christmas Amazon is probably my best bet. So can anyone suggest a reasonable 3d printer from Amazon at about £150?
I know very little about them other than heated beds are good  ::) I am fine engineering and electrontronics wise building.

Cheers for any suggestions and Happy Christmas
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Re: Which first 3d printer - unexpected Xmas present!!!
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2018, 15:47:07 »
just not an anet A8..... you seem like a reasonable sort so hearing about you dying in a tragically ironic and avoidable house fire would sit on my conscience for atleast a day or two :hmm:

it all depends on what your after doing.

If your not planning on going large then a i3 type would suit you as their ideal for newcomers

If your after something that'll give you better size and dimension option then a Delta.

at 150notes though you very likely wont find a decent delta worth having for a first timer so Id stick with a I3 type, Of those below 150 Id recommend Geeetechs brand, Ive been running one for 3 years now and its a good solid workhorse in both ABS,PLA and PetG, has all the facilities a newcomer could possibly want and is very flexible in terms of upgrading when the time comes.

the younger brother of my Own Geeetech Pro-B is currently going for 140ish on BG (the Pro-W), more or less the same hardware as my Pro-B but uses a wood frame rather than the Acrylic used in the Pro-B, same control board (GT2560), same original extruder (M8 direct), Same PSU, Same motors, etc etc

Geeetechs are basically the prime example of Prusa clones which means there's endless choices of mods knocking about for them and any issues are well documented and generally solved a long time ago.

https://www.banggood.com/Geeetech-Prusa-I3-Pro-W-DIY-3D-Printer-200x200x180mm-Printing-Size-Support-Wi-Fi-Connect-p-1166697.html?rmmds=search&cur_warehouse=CN
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Re: Which first 3d printer - unexpected Xmas present!!!
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2018, 16:13:04 »
Cheers shawdreamer.
I love reading about your quad builds but I very much doubt I will be building quads. Probably just printing odds and sods (antenna, camera mounts, motor protectors etc).
I would get one from BG but this is a pressy 'to keep me occupied' over Christmas as my Mobula7 is very unlikely to arrive.
So looking at Amazon, for quick delivery, seen these 2.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Monoprice-Calibration-Assembled-Preloaded-Printable/dp/B07GK12G5Q/ref=sr_1_20?ie=UTF8&qid=1545137517&sr=8-20&keywords=3d+printer
or
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Comgrow-Creality-Ender-Printer-Aluminum/dp/B07BR3F9N6/

or
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Printers-Leveling-Self-assembly-Extruder-Printing/dp/B0725QLQDM/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1545149670&sr=8-5&keywords=prusa+i3

The first one gets brownie points as 'it looks neater' the second has a bigger bed giving me more flexibility.

Any advantage/disadvantage of either?

Thanks very much for your help.

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Re: Which first 3d printer - unexpected Xmas present!!!
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2018, 16:36:59 »
the first one (a mini delta) looks to be a pre-built job which would take away some of the chores of building it, its also a well established brand name, however.... the build size is tiny (100x100) which would be fine if all you wanting to make is small parts like cam mounts etc but pretty much useless for anything substantial, also being pre-built and so compact itll like be a pain to work on if anything needs changing/modding.

the second is also a well known brand name and a pretty well established one, the 2020 & 2040 extrusion frame will be a benefit in terms of rigidity and future modding, it uses a long range bowden extruder setup which will keep things neat at the hotend and tone down most of the noise the machine makes in operation, it uses a proprietary mainboard iirc but Ive not heard any horror stories about them if you dont want to replace it.

the third is a generic I3 clone which doesnt seem to offer up anything but the typical I3 clone abilities, but!, its a brandless unit which in my opinion is enough to make it avoidable, ontop of that is the frame, just going by the pictures alone the thickness of the acrylic looks inadequate, Id expect all sorts of annoying issues with it.

all in all.... Id likely opt for No2, the Ender
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Re: Which first 3d printer - unexpected Xmas present!!!
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2018, 17:11:58 »
Thanks very much for that. Now trying to find a the Ender 3 in UK. There seems to also be a 3X with glass bed for a few quid more. Is a glass bed a good addition?
https://technologyoutlet.co.uk/collections/creality3d/products/creality-ender-3x

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Re: Which first 3d printer - unexpected Xmas present!!!
« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2018, 23:13:10 »
its nothing you cant add yourself at a later date for a couple of quid, personally I dont use glass myself, I find it just adds more factors into bed adhesion than needs be.
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Re: Which first 3d printer - unexpected Xmas present!!!
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2018, 23:38:47 »
Thanks. I am just waiting for company above to confirm they can deliver Thursday if I order tomorrow am. I will then order the one above and a reel of pla to get me started  :smiley:
Thanks.

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Re: Which first 3d printer - unexpected Xmas present!!!
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2018, 19:09:32 »
Ender has a great rep for a budget printer. I'm sure you'll love it.
Unless you already have some Cad/Modelling skills the next step of evolution is to learn a design package.
That's when the fun really begins.
You'll have rolls of filament stuck in every cranny before you know it. If you thought buying the occasional upgrade for one of your quads was addictive wait until you start convincing yourself you need neon purple TPU because... reasons.
Amazon have got me sussed. Notifications on my phone 3 x a day... We thought you might like/Flash sale this, PETG that PLA the other.... "Why how did you know? Of course I do".  :laugh:

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Re: Which first 3d printer - unexpected Xmas present!!!
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2018, 19:51:49 »
Out of those three I would also choose the ender 3 it has some good reviews for its price bracket  ~~
dontforget we also have a sister forum for 3d printing here https://www.printing-3d.co.uk/index.php

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Re: Which first 3d printer - unexpected Xmas present!!!
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2018, 22:57:09 »
I got an Ender 3 Pro to go with my other printers and I am very impressed so far. I downloaded settings for Simplify 3d and print via Octoprint and the quality is really good.
KC250 RS2205 2300kv SPF3 DAL 5 x 4.5 BN
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Re: Which first 3d printer - unexpected Xmas present!!!
« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2018, 16:49:01 »
Ordered from technology outlet with a reel of pla and it arrived this morning. Unfortunately, while I was out and it's now wrapped and under the christmas tree  :smiley: :(
So lots of reading and vids to watch. looking at using a guide on Facebook from Luke Hatfield which seems very comprehensive.
It is supposed to come with a glass bed and extra nozzles so hopefully I will miss the fun of warped beds?
I also ordered an Arduino UNO R3 as it appears that the stock FW doesn't have any thermal runaway protection and I don't want a fire!!!

I am sure I will have issues  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

Thanks.

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Re: Which first 3d printer - unexpected Xmas present!!!
« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2018, 17:36:28 »
budget wise Id have gone with a GT2560, its a aio, very reliable and upgradable, the r3 are pretty dated now and will likely struggle a bit on more demanding jobs
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Re: Which first 3d printer - unexpected Xmas present!!!
« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2018, 17:52:48 »
budget wise Id have gone with a GT2560, its a aio, very reliable and upgradable, the r3 are pretty dated now and will likely struggle a bit on more demanding jobs
Good point but I was only going to use the R3 to instal a boot loader on the E3 so I can use a PC to update the FW to a newer Merlin version with over temp protection.

I will probably subsequently use it to play with addressable LED's for next Christmas lights  ::)

I have a very steep learning curve coming so I will probably come to realise how wise your words are   :notworthy:

I was just concerned that without any over temp protection on a device that runs for hrs unattended might not be the best idea especially as it will be in the upstairs office (only room upstairs in our Bungalow)!

Performance wise I will come to learn. Bit like starting out on quads and buying a kit from BG with a CC3D in  ::) (While it will work there are so much better options)

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Re: Which first 3d printer - unexpected Xmas present!!!
« Reply #13 on: December 22, 2018, 11:39:08 »
Well Ender 3 sitting under tree and guess what arrived today!!! My Mobula7!!!!!!! So looks like I will be very busy this Christmas what with cooking dinner, building ender3 and flying mobula7  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

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Re: Which first 3d printer - unexpected Xmas present!!!
« Reply #14 on: December 24, 2018, 14:09:37 »
Look for filamentfrenzy Simplify3d profile for the Ender. I've seen prints using this that look amazing.
Of course S3d is stupid expensive if you are prepared to cough up for it

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Re: Which first 3d printer - unexpected Xmas present!!!
« Reply #15 on: December 24, 2018, 15:49:41 »
As I had so much to do on Christmas day (cook dinner, fly newly arrived Mobula7, and build ender 3) I was 'allowed' to open the ender 3 yesterday afternoon   ::)
So I followed the detailed instructions from Luke Hatfield. It is a good guide but there are a couple of errors or maybe that is my misunderstanding. i.e. he says to modify the z limit switch by cutting off the ref nub! Maybe this was wrong but I put the limit switch in the designated place and adjusted the bed to match? He also tells you to bolt the vertical extrusions in so they can be twisted but then never tells you to fully tighten them!

Anyway I bought mine from Technology Outlet for £169 including a Creality glass bed with 4 extra clips and some extra nozzles. Interestingly it came with a build surface that is sort of rough on top and maybe fiberglass on bottom it is attached to the ali bed via 'bulldog' type clips. It does stick very well, if a little too well, but can be unclipped and then bent to pop off print. I haven't tried the glass bed yet. The ali bed looks fairly flat, well using a plastic ruler it doesn't seem to bow or dip in the middle.

So it did take me 2hrs to assemble but that was due to reading instructions over and over to make sure I knew what I was doing plus the x axis had to be removed about 4 times to get it level.

First prints seem great using default settings. All worked perfectly. I am going to try and print something I 'designed' today and see how it come out with correct  dimensions.

I still have to add a boot loader and then update the FW to add over heat protection. So that should keep me busy today  :)
Thanks to everyone for the tips they were/are very helpful.

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Re: Which first 3d printer - unexpected Xmas present!!!
« Reply #16 on: December 24, 2018, 17:31:04 »
the build surface sounds like print-bite which is great for PLA and flex and reasonable for ABS though there are better surfaces to use with regards to ABS imho.
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Re: Which first 3d printer - unexpected Xmas present!!!
« Reply #17 on: December 24, 2018, 21:39:07 »
Just started using a Ender 3 myself, have to say extremely impressed. Its worth joining the Ender 3 facebook group, there is a more detailed build and tuning guide in  the files section on there. So far I have been using the Amazon ZIRO filament, seems good. Bed levelling is critical on these, so practice that several times, and get the bed up to temp before doing it. I also allow 5 minutes for the bed and nozzle to stabilise before printing, and I wipe the bed down with IPA before printing and haven't had any issues with prints coming unstuck.
Software wise I am using Cura and Autodesk 360 fusion, both free.

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Re: Which first 3d printer - unexpected Xmas present!!!
« Reply #18 on: December 24, 2018, 22:17:26 »
Did I mention our sister forum  :rolleyes:  https://printing-3d.co.uk/index.php  :beer2:  ~~

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Re: Which first 3d printer - unexpected Xmas present!!!
« Reply #19 on: December 24, 2018, 22:53:07 »
Just started using a Ender 3 myself, have to say extremely impressed. Its worth joining the Ender 3 facebook group, there is a more detailed build and tuning guide in  the files section on there. So far I have been using the Amazon ZIRO filament, seems good. Bed levelling is critical on these, so practice that several times, and get the bed up to temp before doing it. I also allow 5 minutes for the bed and nozzle to stabilise before printing, and I wipe the bed down with IPA before printing and haven't had any issues with prints coming unstuck.
Software wise I am using Cura and Autodesk 360 fusion, both free.
I find bed levelling quite easy but I do have a bit of mechanical engineering experience of operating machinery.
I have joined Facebook group and did use the extended guide to setup.
Cheers for the tips.