Naza M lite

[GdLookinMingeR]

Next you may as well do the naza firmware hack :-)


Jay

[Dippi]

Yes Jay, may be later on updating the firmware hack on the NAza, but i have already added a hacked firmware on my Flysky fs i6.









1. Had a very hard landing today the S500 frame arm broke, so trying to use a spare frame till i receive the arm.

2. Initially i had planned to use a Apm 2.8 and had got all the parts for FPV kit etc, but could never get the FC to work or arm and was unsuccessful to program the RC to work with it. The only way i could make it function was with out the arming options and burnt down the esc.

a) There problem could be that it was too much for a beginner.
b) The board was defective.

3. had a spare f450 frame lying but the problem with it turned out the frame is defective and the holes don';t match up between the centre plates and the arms.

4. So far destroyed 2 frames, both with broken arms

a) f450
b) s500

6. Could you suggest a good and economical website to buy drone parts from. I have so far been ordering from ALiexpress but the quality is totally unreliable, they don';t seem to check before they dispatch, and in Finland hobby store are very random for own builds, though ready to fly drones are plenty.

7. I use a XT 60 PDB to power the esc etc, but unable to find a good location or a box to fit or align it on the frame, it is also in a venerable situation in case of crashes.

8. Do you think the Fpv kit which i had ordered for APM 2.8 Fc work with this Naza M lite?

Suggestions will be highly appreciated

[GdLookinMingeR]

Where are you based?

The frames you have purchased are of poor quality and there is
alot to be said for genuine dji flamewheel kits.

you could try either of these both were good especially the sk450
the reptile flew nice with my naza minus the over the top landing gear

https://hobbyking.com/en_us/reptile500-v3-quad-copter-frame-with-crab-landing-gear-white-red.html

https://hobbyking.com/en_us/hobbyking-sk450-glass-fiber-quadcopter-frame-450mm.html

Kind regards
Jay

[Dippi]

Thanks Jay, i will henceforth buy my hobby parts from Hobbyking

[GdLookinMingeR]

Thanks Jay, i will henceforth buy my hobby parts from Hobbyking

Please shop around in this hobby its best practice.
If you want a UK warranty Purchase from the guys here in the UK.
You may pay a little extra but it';s worth it especially if your after something of value such as
FPV kit and cameras etc.

And watch out when ordering from HobbyKing as its very easy to buy from the wrong warehouse
and you end up with large delivery charges or even import duties!!
If your based here in the UK the warehouse only has a selection of the full product lines but eu warehouse has a larger selection and comes direct from Germany usually within the week in my experience.

If your after something specific let us know where you are and what your after as we all enjoy a little window shopping for others 
Have fun and fly safe.
Jay

[Dippi]

Hi Jay I live in finland. The rules here are pretty straightforward if it comes from outside Europe it 24percent duty on orders over 22 euros and in case of purchases from Europe duty is charged on orders above 44€. I really have hopeless luck with my purchases so far with aliexpress except the best purchase so far had been the Naza m lite. Lesson learnt the future purchases will come from hobby king. Even though their postage seem to be high for small orders. I have some surplus parts which I can swap or if someone needs. Since I can';t use them with the Naza. Especially the FPV kit.
Osd
Transmitter
Receiver
Adicional antenas
Some power supply for FC.
XT60 plugs
XT60 60 power boards
A voltage tester or volt meter

[Dippi]

Hi Jay any suggestions for a good undercarriage aka landing gear with the prospects to add a gimbal in the future.
Thanks

[Dippi]

One another question,
Is the drone not supposed to hover once you lift off and don';t feed it more throttle power?
My drone starts drifting or flying, even though it responds to all the controls and stick inputs, whats wrong or what needs to be tuned.

[ched]

One another question,
Is the drone not supposed to hover once you lift off and don';t feed it more throttle power?
My drone starts drifting or flying, even though it responds to all the controls and stick inputs, whats wrong or what needs to be tuned.

You need to be in GPS flight mode and have throttle 50%. Then it should stay in position. Remember to make sure it has good GPS lock before taking off. Green LED twice (if throttle at zero) and no red led. (Red Led slow flash = not enough sats).

[GdLookinMingeR]

Atti mode should hold altitude
GPS mode is more accurate
Manual well lets just go crazy!
Just a quick note the firmware hack solves alot of the issues with drift!
and as for purchasing make sure you use the eu warehouse then and your good to go :-)
Jay

[Dippi]

Please can you suggest any good tutorials for the hack and if the hack is reversible, is the hack to convert V1 to V2. i have seen some youtube videos where people have done it but some have been having bricking issues. Please advice.

[Dippi]

Hi Jay
Have you come across a PDB hub which is plug and play and doesn';t need soldering etc and has enclosing box, tried hobby king but they don';t have anything.



want to have a clean build.

https://hobbyking.com/en_us/high-current-high-voltage-power-distribution-board-for-multi-copters-40-60a-capacity.html

this is too low on amps, but something similar.

[GdLookinMingeR]

Hi Jay
Have you come across a PDB hub which is plug and play and doesn';t need soldering etc and has enclosing box, tried hobby king but they don';t have anything.



want to have a clean build.

https://hobbyking.com/en_us/high-current-high-voltage-power-distribution-board-for-multi-copters-40-60a-capacity.html

this is too low on amps, but something similar.

Why not do this

https://hobbyking.com/en_us/q-brain-4-x-25a-brushless-quadcopter-esc-2-4s-3a-sbec.html

4x 25a esc 100 amp total,no need for power distro as all in one super clean build !
or if your looking for something race spec try this

https://hobbyking.com/en_us/blheli-s-35a.html
much higher flight performace as blheli firmware :-)

[Dippi]

Thanks again Jay, this is very helpful, i guess i will in future go for the Turing esc, they just eliminate the need to use a PDB and the motors can be directly connected to the esc, the only downside will be if one esc on that bloc fails you loose the whole unit.

More questions.
1. i had got some esc Jmt brand, with no idea about the firmware, but it clearly said they cannot be programmed, etc, the seller couldn';t provide the firmware information. i have 3 good and 1 bad and they don';t play nice with my xxd esc. is there some way to change the firmware?
2. About propellers, are 2 bade or 3 blade propellers better ?
3. And about the size whats the upside or downside between 8 inch and 10 inch props. On the flight stability and battery consumption.

Thanks Dilip.

[GdLookinMingeR]

Thanks again Jay, this is very helpful, i guess i will in future go for the Turing esc, they just eliminate the need to use a PDB and the motors can be directly connected to the esc, the only downside will be if one esc on that bloc fails you loose the whole unit.

More questions.
1. i had got some esc Jmt brand, with no idea about the firmware, but it clearly said they cannot be programmed, etc, the seller couldn';t provide the firmware information. i have 3 good and 1 bad and they don';t play nice with my xxd esc. is there some way to change the firmware?
2. About propellers, are 2 bade or 3 blade propellers better ?
3. And about the size whats the upside or downside between 8 inch and 10 inch props. On the flight stability and battery consumption.

Thanks Dilip.

Your esc are available in simon k or blheli versions the video below
shows the process of finding and selecting the right firmware for the job. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbRs96HYtNY

2 blade props are more efficient when the props are above 6" in my opinion
but triblades are beneficial on mini quads etc. 
8" inch props will draw less current than 10" and the flight will feel quite responsive with little prop wash whilst descending
but 10" slow fly props will give more lift for less so flight times are longer, with experience i prefer slower 10" for fpv on my tricopter  and 5x4.5 triblades on my miniquad.
Hope it helps
Jay

[Dippi]

That was very beneficial. thanks again.

Do you think 5010 360kv brushless motors are a good option, since they are so wide, do you think they will sit well on my existing frames F450 and s500? and will 30a esc and 3s battery work with it?

[GdLookinMingeR]

That was very beneficial. thanks again.

Do you think 5010 360kv brushless motors are a good option, since they are so wide, do you think they will sit well on my existing frames F450 and s500? and will 30a esc and 3s battery work with it?

What is it you are trying to achieve?
most 450 - 500 setups are around 980kv running 10x4.5 on 3-4s avarage flight time of 12-20mins ideal for fpv or photography. less flight time if carrying cameras and gimbals.
510 360kv are quite specialist they typically run on 4s minimum and 12"-18" props you would need some big kit to go with it 
I first started buy searching the internet for kit builds to see different configurations for different jobs then copied the hardware specs to mach my own builds.
Hope you find that of some assistance :-)
Jay

[Dippi]

Thanks.
This was quiet helpful.
Will follow your advice and try to follow previously built kits and try to define my own builds after referring them.

[Dippi]

Issues:
1. using a f450 frame my quad set to tilt towards the left side, my model type is X.
Any idea what could be wrong?

[GdLookinMingeR]

Issues:
1. using a f450 frame my quad set to tilt towards the left side, my model type is X.
Any idea what could be wrong?

Plug your naza into the assistant and redo full calibration in the assistant and then check the radio for trims
to see if you have knocked them by accident.
Happens to the best of us.
Regards
Jay

[Dippi]

Thanks Jay,
You were right, the recalibration helped, the settings got fudged. Have been trying to make it stable or very smooth, but that hasn';t worked so far. It flies fine, but i can';t make it float or rather hover. but i guess i need to work more on the trims or sub trims.

Thanks again.
Regards.
Dilip.

[ched]

You don';t normally need to touch trims or sub trims on Naza.
Are you using Naza Lite Firmware? If so that is probably why the hover isn';t good.
You need to use the Naza Hack FW to upgrade to a much more stable craft.
Have a look here: http://www.multi-rotor.co.uk/index.php?topic=11295.0

[Dippi]

Doing the update now, had a few issues, trying to work them out.

Issue 1: It says i need to up date the firmware to 4.06 which actually creates an issue and the whole upgrading process has to be done once again.
Issue 2: Advanced calibrations error 29.
Issue 3: The MC is too hot while doing the advanced calibrations need to shut down for 5 min and then start again.

Trying to sort out

[Dippi]

Error 29.

Motors Start failure caused by TX stick(s) mid point error too big
If the TX stick(s) mid point error is too big, Motors Start will fail when you execute the Combination Stick Commands (CSC) and lead to the aircraft will not takeoff.. And the LED will blink Red four times per second continually to warn you.
TX stick(s) mid point error too big can be caused by the following reasons:
(1)   There is TX stick (except the throttle stick) not at center when power on the autopilot system.
(2)   The TX sticks has been trimmed, which leads to the large deviation of mid point. For example, the SUB-TRIM has been adjusted for Futaba transmitter.
(3)   The TX stick(s) travel has larger asymmetry.
For the reason (1), please put all TX sticks at the mid point, and then power cycle the autopilot system to re-record the mid point. If the problem continues, that can be caused by the reason (2) or reason (3), you need to adjust the output range of your TX, and then use the Assistant Software to   redo the TX calibration. Please carry out the following procedures.
(1)   Connect to the Assistant software, click Basic-> R/C-> Command Sticks Calibration, and push all TX sticks throughout their complete travel range to see if any stick cannot reach its largest position.
(2)   Adjust the largest travel of TX stick until the cursor on the Assistant software can reach both end positions, according to your TX manual.
(3)   Power cycle the autopilot system, note that power cycle is required.
(4)   Redo the TX calibration according to the Assistant software.

[ched]

Try recalibrating the rx inputs. I have had same error before and a recalibration of sticks usually sorts the issue. What tx are you using?

[Dippi]

Recalibrated and now it functions but its very unstable. Trying with different gain values, no success yet.

Frame f450
TX FLYSKY fs i6 (firmware updated to 10 channel instead of 6 channels)
RX FS ia6b

Battery went off trying to calibrate it, will send gain info later.

[ched]

Try noting your gains and then resetting to default gains to start with.

[Dippi]

is it in some way possible to update to the latest version on v2 after the initial firmware update from v1 to v2

[ched]

is it in some way possible to update to the latest version on v2 after the initial firmware update from v1 to v2

Not as far as I am aware but the V2 version is good. Don';t know of any issues with the ';updated FW';.

Jay is the man on this subject.

[GdLookinMingeR]

is it in some way possible to update to the latest version on v2 after the initial firmware update from v1 to v2

There is no further upgrade from the FW Hack but in my experience the flight characteristics are so good after the update there was never a need.

I would reset everything to default and adjust for frame size.
The default settings are for 450 ort 550 frame kits it is recommended to have the A2 controller on 800 size kit and above.
Have fun
Jay