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Fast Wing - Props and Motors
« on: November 24, 2015, 08:19:41 »

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Re: Fast Wing - Props and Motors
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2015, 08:23:41 »
THIS:-

http://www.altitudehobbies.com/brushless-motor-400-28-30-2200kv-suppo-2212-6

Is the Suppo 2212-6, just the first link I found, so you can see what it looks like.

REALLY got to go now........................   :rolleyes:

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Re: Fast Wing - Props and Motors
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2015, 08:55:27 »
Interesting reading there......I personally know flyers who have used O rings and bands with motors over 60w and with no problems encountered.  I have used them too but only on lil phut phut motors and they work well. 
Wonder if you can elaborate on where we are going wrong getting breakages on landings.  I fly all my electrics with brake off as I like to use the "windmill" effect and every so often I can break a prop.

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Re: Fast Wing - Props and Motors
« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2015, 12:51:26 »
THIS:-

http://www.altitudehobbies.com/brushless-motor-400-28-30-2200kv-suppo-2212-6

Is the Suppo 2212-6, just the first link I found, so you can see what it looks like.

REALLY got to go now........................   :rolleyes:
One of my favourite motors also, used on my Crossfire combat and now trying out on quads - with 6x4 or 6x5 props and 30A HK Super simple esc';s on planes and 30A SimonK cheap Fleabay esc';s (as recommended by Handson).
Works great on any of the planes I';ve put it on and very interesting results on a 450 quad (it';s not very efficient but it is pretty fast)!
BTW I use nyloc nuts with a full size washer on my Multi';s never had a breakage other than self inflicted ::)
however you do have to have a ';feel'; for how tight to go!!!
For those wanting to try them this is a UK source of what is very similar both in terms of performance and quality:
http://flyingwings.co.uk/accessories/brushless-motors/brushless-motors-1800kv-220833.html
« Last Edit: November 24, 2015, 13:01:02 by DarrellW »
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Re: Fast Wing - Props and Motors
« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2015, 13:41:31 »
Typical of the confusion lack of thought creates, the LINK text above says 1800kV, the screen when you get to it states 2200kV. I lot of other adverts state 2100kV.   :angry:

For the absence of doubt, the CURRENT 2212-6 Suppo is shown here:- 

http://www.suppomodel.com/


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Re: Fast Wing - Props and Motors
« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2015, 14:09:00 »
Interesting reading there......I personally know flyers who have used O rings and bands with motors over 60w and with no problems encountered.  I have used them too but only on lil phut phut motors and they work well. 
Wonder if you can elaborate on where we are going wrong getting breakages on landings.  I fly all my electrics with brake off as I like to use the "windmill" effect and every so often I can break a prop.

Firstly, on pushers you can get away with flex mounting to a higher power level as thrust pushes the prop against the hub, tractors need much more care and a lower limit!  Ignoring crashes and downright arrivals, its a question of bleeding off the speed so that the actual landing is more or less a flop with near zero forward speed, and definitely NO power still on. If you are flying it in all the way rather than gliding the last part, you have the approach pattern very very wrong.

I have one own design very high speed very clean pod front pusher prop delta wing where landing it was an issue as from max speed it was taking two large circuits to bleed down the speed, and safe approach velocity to a specific ground point meant being very very accurate on when you dropped power, and not using it again! In the end I added servo worked airbrakes!

I do see people breaking props on belly landing, and it seems to me they are flying in as if the wing was a conventional plane with wheels, far too fast.

My usual forward movement after touch down is mm, not metres!

People will use weak GWS and clones of GWS props though. I use balanced APC Speeds (not Slofly). One point with these, they are designed to be used tractor, and the front of the hole is often NOT aligned, forcing the whole out of balance, they rely totally on a correctly fitted rear insert. Flex mounts do NOT locate well to this!!

Difficult other than that to be prescriptive on others, but as the props on my wings are all many years old, and I have not bought a prop for at least five years, it';s not ageing...........  ;)

Someone brave enough to post a video of landing and prop breaking will help all here.

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Re: Fast Wing - Props and Motors
« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2015, 14:17:09 »

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Re: Fast Wing - Props and Motors
« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2015, 14:34:11 »
For a laugh, here';s two of my own designs, from either end of the flight envelope, though roughly the same size:-



This second one is quite old now, and shot with a poor quality keyfob camera balanced on my cap peak, but shows a single Suppo 2212-6 with 6x4 APC in action.......................... have the sound up as I don';t hold full throttle all the time.


I have to glide it while a light aircraft goes by, but it does show a typical "landing", near zero forward speed, flat.
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Re: Fast Wing - Props and Motors
« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2015, 15:13:29 »
Here';s another one for you to have a laugh at, shot on a very windy gusty day, hardly ideal for a less than 400g plane.  This time, not my design, it';s a "Superfly" from the US. Given to me with a "Blue Wonder of 1300kv and 80W or so, it now has (guess!) a Suppo A2212-6 with a "bit more" (250 plus). I';m flying an APC 7x5 speed which is technically an overload for that motor, but I don';t hold WOT for more than seconds and its designed to put a lot of short burst propwash over the elevons (which is all it has).



Again, despite the wind noise, listen with the sound up to hear throttle management. And if bored, jump to landing!!  ::)

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Re: Fast Wing - Props and Motors
« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2015, 15:34:54 »
As people had mentioned the FlyingWings "Raven", here';s a pic of one of my two, up an extinct Volcano in Fuertaventura. Note the landing site, not one to do more than a static "flop" on!!
I assembled it in the UK using only tape, and dismantled it to get it out there and back. It';s still around. That one was built as a powered glider with a Suppo 2208-12 from only a 1000mAh 3S to keep it light, though still quite quick when needed. The plane is the white one, the dark one being a lone hawk that came and flew with me for about half an hour. That was the only life (apart from sun bathing camera wielding Wife) for the three hours plus we were there, and in one flight of an hour or so I only used the motor to take off and land with precision.



The other Raven?  It has lights all over it..............Oh, and a 2212-6................ so I can be quick after dark, too   :azn :azn

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Re: Fast Wing - Props and Motors
« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2015, 18:00:46 »
100% with you on landing technique, slower the better and preferably tail slightly down - if I get in a situation where that';s difficult I tend to land as slow as possible in the longer grass - I also use APC (or occasionally Graupner) props, never slow fly (too weak) and for that motor I use 30A esc';s.
You can get a decent copy of it on fleabags labelled ';Mystrey'; they are very similar if not the same I think - I may stand corrected though!
« Last Edit: November 24, 2015, 20:54:55 by DarrellW »
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Re: Fast Wing - Props and Motors
« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2015, 18:22:29 »
You can get a decent copy of it on fleabags labelled ';Mystrey'; they are very similar if not the same I think - I may stand corrected though!

The "Mystery" motor IS the Suppo motor differently labelled.