Another nail in the coffin

[DarkButterfly]

Pair of idiots this time.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-29662363

[tupoar]

yay.......

[kilby]

Oh that';s that numptie PV2+ who near hit a kid outside a football ground, and now seems to have flown around clock tower at Westminster (incorrectly known as Big Ben)

He really is an ass

[Friskle]

Yep, just give the BBC page more hits......

[The.Quadfather]

holy crap - thats stupidly low over that match !!

what a complete numpty 

[GdLookinMingeR]

I am loving the CAA comment on his latest vid
and in the discussion channel on youtube  the BBC and Associate Press
are trying to contact him to do a story !!!

[guest325]

holy crap - thats stupidly low over that match !!

what a complete numpty 

Sentiments shared!

[Jake Bullit]

Seems to be quite widespread this sort of thing:

http://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/blackburnrovers/forum/120421/1503243/aerial-video-today/#.VEFk_ctwbqA

[Ross]

A few more of this sort of thing (or any other big breach of regs) and you can see it coming =  NO UAVs for filming except large outfits like BBc and SKY and ITV.....and all other UAVs being confined to local flying sites. 

Too many people treating these models as toys and too many of the public accepting them as toys...and too little publicity of the regs....(and of course, the manufacturers are not going to do much,  except stuff a GENERAL  regs leaflet in the box).....  it will salve their concience.

[Ross]

Seems to be quite widespread this sort of thing:

http://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/blackburnrovers/forum/120421/1503243/aerial-video-today/#.VEFk_ctwbqA

When you read those posts on that site its morons posting to morons....or, if you like...utter ****wits..........

[tupoar]

Every f**ker wants their 15 minutes of fame. They will continue to do what they do as it gets Youtube hits and they become popular. Who gives a damn about the law?? They look at the CAA regs and say, "well that don';t apply to me because I was standing on my head at the time"

I worry about the future of this hobby. I really do.

[Hands0n]

I reckon that the officialdom will be pragmatic about this situation. They';ll go after a few of the big offenders, make an example of them, show the rest that there are rules and they will be enforced.  But I reckon they';re cherry picking rather than going for a mass example approach.

This will be CB Radio all over again now the masses have got into the act.  I think that as long as we keep our act as clean as possible that the hobby will remain in safe hands.

[guest325]

This will be CB Radio all over again now the masses have got into the act.  I think that as long as we keep our act as clean as possible that the hobby will remain in safe hands.

   

[turok007]

cannot Fly within 50m (164 ft) of any person.   as soon as the public find out this bit  we will be in serious trouble.

[nub]

ach tired of reading about idiots to be honest and the last couple of times it';s involved fitbaw which just saddens me even more

nothing you can do to stop it happening i suppose.

[turok007]

it could be stopped.  just remove the helpful auto pilot.   i have been in the RC hobby for many years  and i have had idiots come up to me and ask how much is that heli or how much is that plane.  im getting one  so they go and buy one and most fail when trying to build it or they fail on the maiden flight. so we don';t see the outcome.  but now we have the same people getting a quad that will fly itself.   so we end up with all the bad press.    i have almost had it with quads now  as i try too tell people how to go about getting into the hobby.  but they end up getting the phantom from the start.  then seconds later they want a camera then FPV.    (can i just say i never got the phantom as i didn';t like the look of it)

[Hands0n]

The thing is, the manufacturers know that they won';t sell these unless they make them near idiot proof to fly.  That still doesn';t stop the numpty doing something completely bl00dy daft/illegal with their aircraft. 

I think that if I were starting off in the hobby around about ... now, then I might very well have bought a Phantom. But being a hobbyist I would then join a forum, like this one, learn about the hobby itself, come across the legalities and all that follows.  And that comes of being a hobbyist rather than a consumer. 

I rather fancy that these consumers will soon get tired of their toys as they do about everything else.  Winter is about to befall and there won';t be that many flying days ahead, especially if you only get weekends.  The reality of flying model aircraft is quite different to the razzmatazz of the glossy website and advertisements. 

I do think that the behaviours @turok007 describes are paralleled in pretty much all clubs and forums. Certainly that was the case with my motorcycling. Being very heavily involved in Advanced Motorcycling it was very frustrating to have people come up to ask motorcycling advice and then ignore or ridicule it completely. Sod them, I still ride with the passion of when I was 16 ::)  Same goes for this hobby

[tupoar]

You hit the nail right on the head Hands0n. These people are consumers, not hobbyists. Consumers fly ';drones';, hobbyists fly multi';s.

[turok007]

a close mate wants to start flying RC planes   so i started to tell him what he should get.  but all he went on about was I WANT A SPITFIRE   so i left him to it.  lol

[Hands0n]

Ha! I think we all know whats going to hapen to the Spitfire then ... 

[Ross]

Its not just in modelling.  As ex Air Traffic Control I can tell you thatquite  a few of self made business men pay to learn to fly, get a licence and buy their own aircraft or helicopter and " way hey"  they are  off and running...They don';t listen to anybody because  "I got where I am today off my own back"........
.Many come to grief...
You can read each summer about light aircraft crashes/fatalities  the (thing is they take innocents with them).   

There';s hope yet that these people, who buy UAVs because it';s the latest thing on the block WILL crash the thing and wreck it completely (hopefully without damaging anything or anybody). End of "drone" ops..full stop

[The.Quadfather]

it could be stopped.  just remove the helpful auto pilot.

yep, DJI (<- sorry to point fingers, but it';s always these) could implement a software update to remove PH feature in major cities  :evil

[DarkButterfly]

Instead of removing useful features, make the phantom in kit form only, that will stop many fools, as they will not want to build them before flying 

[flybywire]

Instead of removing useful features, make the phantom in kit form only, that will stop many fools, as they will not want to build them before flying 

That';s a good suggestion DB.
Much as i like dji stuff (cause it';s flight ready, reliable & largly hassle free IME) i would never consider buying a phantom personally, they seem more ';cool toy'; than functional multicopter, at least in the sense of upgrade possibilities.  What';s to say here that hasn';t been said a thousand times?  it';s not the product per-se, but the largly ill considered and devil may care attitude of some of the lads that throw them into the air after watching TBS vids on Youtube.
Mind you, judging by the recent ';Balkan fiasco'; even disgruntled shadowy political figures are utilising them!

[Friskle]

Ah right, so every silly video has been a phantom ? Yes alot, but not all, some major dangerous Aerial videos have not been Phantoms.

It';s the same with most hobbies, someone will always do what they want, no matter what advice is given , and its been like that in fixed wing for as long as I can remember, the other week, I was at the club having a chat with someone that came up, will he take my advice ? Who knows, do I care ? In one breath yes I do, then in the other, no, it';s his money down the drain not mine, but at least you can say you gave it.

All these discussions are pointless, and get people no where, as impulse buying or buying without listening will never stop.

Might as well leave the forum as I';m a fool or an idiot because I own a phantom, because your just dressing them all in the same vein...idiots.

Really, it';s about time people got on with what they do and start to ignore a little of what others do do, if someone gets in trouble, will it be you, the responsible pilot ?  No, of course not,

If you are flying responsibly, is that the part that matters ? Someone will ALWAYS ignore rules, no matter the area involved.

One thing I will say though, is that online selling is the biggest issue, as it has taken away the "personal" touch from buying hobby products, shops in the past would refuse to sell something, now, its just click "buy now"

[Jumpy07]

FA also made complaint to CAA..


Broadcaster made complaint to FA.. re: commercial aspects of filming match.. as they have paid millions for rights..


CAA picked it up directly in any case..


I would expect a HUGE example will be made of this person.. and quite rightly so.. CAA will pursue.. and so will the broadcasters..   


Will be interesting to see the outcome.. broadcaster may sue.. which could be thousands by itself.. and would imagine CAA will pursue criminal conviction.


Not good for the legal abiding fliers.. have a a look at this http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/oct/15/football-league-premier-league-drone-copycats-civil-aviation-authority

[The.Quadfather]

Ah right, so every silly video has been a phantom ? Yes alot, but not all, some major dangerous Aerial videos have not been Phantoms.

yeah sorry, should have said nearly always !

My post wasn';t really serious as the chances of features being removed is pretty unlikely to happen
as you say, if people can, they usually will until told to stop
and there';s always one (or more) who push the limits

lets hope CAA come down heavily & this gets alot of coverage to warn others....

[DarrenG]

And let';s not forget the muppet with a TBS Disco who flew down Blackpool promenade and around the tower.

It needs some proactive action from the CAA, the Police have stepped in where idiots post video of their driving exploits, the CAA need to do the same.

[Hands0n]

Might as well leave the forum as I';m a fool or an idiot because I own a phantom, because your just dressing them all in the same vein...idiots.

Really, it';s about time people got on with what they do and start to ignore a little of what others do do, if someone gets in trouble, will it be you, the responsible pilot ?  No, of course not,

If you are flying responsibly, is that the part that matters ? Someone will ALWAYS ignore rules, no matter the area involved.

Don';t do that    Its just a conversation   

The Phantom gets the stick because it is probably the most popular and most recognisable of all the RTF drones that are out there right now. They';re the Ford Escord of the skies, everywhere you look.  But you';re absolutely right, plenty of drones have been used by their pilots in thoroughly irresponsible flights - the most infamous being the Blackpool Beach run.  That was a TBS Discovery and the last time I looked that wasn';t available as an RTF. 

Its a bit like anything really, guns, automobiles, motorcycles, airplanes, pretty much anything that has a human at the controls. Each and every "thing" has its share of idiots who couldn';t care less just as long as they';re having fun, regardless of the risk to others. 

Unfortunately, it is human nature and if we were to legislate against it then absolutely everything we do would be made illegal.  And I do believe that the CAA, for one organisation, are completely pragmatic about that, even in the face of the current abuses we see.

As hobbyists we are outraged, even if a little guilty of the odd indiscretion ourselves. Rightfully so, because we don';t want to be tarred with the same brush. But we have to be careful of collateral damage to all of those [Phantom] pilots who are flying the good flight and being ambassadors for the hobby. And I';d be willing to bet that there are more who are quietly getting on with it in complete safety and regard for others.

[flybywire]

What';s acceptable?  Well, as Danny says, we';ve all flown a little too close to maybe a ';quiet'; country road here and there or a bridge maybe, technically speaking in the rule book.  But none of the stuff I see posted on here is what I would call dangerous, or without due care toward people or property.  I think Juz is a fairly decent example of a now world-wide iconic multi-rotor/fpv exponent, and I don';t see his video';s showing flagrant disregard for life or property, yet all of the footage i';ve seen of his is usually both visually and technically stunning.  Ok, so he';s a pro, fair enough, most of us ';Sunday flyers'; are strictly ';amateur'; bods, but still get a kick from sharing our humble footage, and maybe getting a few positive comments (plenty I see on here has been equally as good as the man ';imself!)
There';s no reason why we should be tarred with that same brush, whatever ';brand'; we fly, as long as we are careful, we';ll have plenty of ';fun';.   
Those that flagrantly break existing laws and proudly post their ';antics'; on Youtube should face prosecution of course, it seems to be the only way these ';lads'; will think twice?

Them';s my thoughts anyhow!   

P.S If the CAA are on here, I think you are doing a fair job myself, it can';t be easy, I don';t think anybody could derive any real satisfaction from prosecuting folk who are just ';ignorant'; as opposed to vicious yobs who';d think nowt of kicking your granny down the stairs for a tenner for instance. 

Andy