Action over "Illegal" Video frequencies and power

[Bad Raven]

Just because legislation in the US has changed doesn’t mean anything will change in the UK. The situation is identical now to how it’s always been for us.

Sorry, but no, I don't think it is heading the same now, as the emphasis on action has moved from the technical arena into the political, fuelled by huge press coverage (lies, etc). How much stabilising the tech corner can influence is ever decreasing.

[atomiclama]

Let's be clear now we are talking video T/X...

I dare not ask what T/X is short for 

[atomiclama]

........... why are you all scowling at me?

It's how we always look at you.  ::)

[atomiclama]

Sell a VTX that does not have CE and you are breaking the law, use a VTX that is transmitting on the wrong freqs or power is also illegal.

For those that care and don't want to break any rules, this also applies to TX power settings, if there are any.

For those who use crossfire if you set above 25mW then you will be a very naughty boy/girl.

[Dickw]

BS/EN/ISO standards are just something to test against, they are not laws

OK, so possibly something like this is what you are looking for:-

The Radio Equipment Directive (2014/53/EU) establishes a regulatory framework for placing radio equipment on the market. It has been applicable since 13 June 2016. A 1-year transitional period between this Directive and the now-repealed Radio and Telecommunication Terminal Equipment (R&TTE) Directive (1999/5/EC) ended on 12 June 2017. As of 13 June 2017 only the new RED is applicable.

The current "Declaration of Conformity" of my 2.4 radio gear refers to 2014/53/Eu before listing the relevant EN docs - earlier versions referred to the R&TTE regs. I assume VTx gear would do the same.

Dick

[mo_miah]

OK, so possibly something like this is what you are looking for:-

The Radio Equipment Directive (2014/53/EU) establishes a regulatory framework for placing radio equipment on the market. It has been applicable since 13 June 2016. A 1-year transitional period between this Directive and the now-repealed Radio and Telecommunication Terminal Equipment (R&TTE) Directive (1999/5/EC) ended on 12 June 2017. As of 13 June 2017 only the new RED is applicable.

The current "Declaration of Conformity" of my 2.4 radio gear refers to 2014/53/Eu before listing the relevant EN docs - earlier versions referred to the R&TTE regs. I assume VTx gear would do the same.

Dick

Yep
It's difficult to get Euro parliament and each countries to agree on a set of rules, and even when they do they enforce it in different ways, kind of defeats the point of having these rules

I wish they would introduce a license or test for us so we can use long range vtx and increase the power etc

heres a vtx that does 25-800mW but you can only use 25mW

[atomiclama]

I wish they would introduce a license or test for us so we can use long range vtx and increase the power etc

To what point? we can't fly more than 305m and must maintain VLOS. A 25mW VTX is more than capable of that distance with a direct line.

[mo_miah]

To what point? we can't fly more than 305m and must maintain VLOS. A 25mW VTX is more than capable of that distance with a direct line.

and get rid of those rules too lol
i'm allowed to get training and a license to drive a couple ton car at 70mph down a motorway with other road users about, why can't they do the same for quads
if they allow this then manufactures will aim to make better more capable components to allow us to do this because the market demand will be there

[ched]

There seems to some rumors that Hobby King are being fined $2.8 million for selling non Fcc compliant vtx!

So might be time to stock up but then again I can't see Banggood stopping selling vtx over 25mw but some manufacturers might start making 25mw the default and no higher options.

Can't really see production of over 25mw stopping, I am sure there will be some countries that allow higher power.

[mo_miah]

i think the way TBS get around it is to have 25mW as default and you need to "unlock" the higher power channels and the user instructions say you need a HAM license etc

[Elmattbo]

Didn’t getfpv receive a hefty fine a few months back? This has been coming for a while I reckon.


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[Bad Raven]

There seems to some rumors that Hobby King are being fined $2.8 million for selling non Fcc compliant vtx!

Rumour?  See post 1.

[Bad Raven]

Rolling back a while now, but I bought my first 250 and headset assembled RTF from a UK seller.  They knew I was in the UK and the quad would be used in the UK.

When it arrived it had a non CE 8 frequency only VRX that did not have a single legal frequency, and a non CE 200w VTX that again would only transmit to those 8 frequencies.

When I challenged this and demanded a legal pairing their response was that surely I would want "to see further than my elbow" (I have this in writing on headed paper, BTW!!)

Then come nearer to date and you have 72 frequency VTX being sold where MOST of the frequencies are outside the legal UK bandwidth.

I do not think there is any way that genie is going back into the bottle, so just like Citizens Band appearing illegally in the UK and wiping over legal RC RF frequencies, eventually it will be realised that resistance is futile, its far too late for that, and other priorities will take their attention.

The whole gamut is to free up frequencies and airspace for commercial gain, and the bargaining chip against this with politicians as always is they need to be voted in.

[mo_miah]

Rolling back a while now, but I bought my first 250 and headset assembled RTF from a UK seller.  They knew I was in the UK and the quad would be used in the UK.

When it arrived it had a non CE 8 frequency only VRX that did not have a single legal frequency, and a non CE 200w VTX that again would only transmit to those 8 frequencies.

When I challenged this and demanded a legal pairing their response was that surely I would want "to see further than my elbow" (I have this in writing on headed paper, BTW!!)

Then come nearer to date and you have 72 frequency VTX being sold where MOST of the frequencies are outside the legal UK bandwidth.

I do not think there is any way that genie is going back into the bottle, so just like Citizens Band appearing illegally in the UK and wiping over legal RC RF frequencies, eventually it will be realised that resistance is futile, its far too late for that, and other priorities will take their attention.

The whole gamut is to free up frequencies and airspace for commercial gain, and the bargaining chip against this with politicians as always is they need to be voted in.

these shops really dont care or understand they are breaking the law

nothing wrong with making a vtx with a wide power band 25-800mW as different parts of the world have different rules, the user manual should say whats legal and where, like tbs they have 25mW default and if you have a license in certain parts of the world you can use the high power channels

just like cars, my cars top speed exceeds 70mph but i know i can only use 0-70mph legally in the UK, if i was to drive to germany i could exceed that, but having a car that would do 100mph at "idle" (hypothetically speaking) would be illegal in this country as you could not drive it in the 0-70 range

there's only so much market surveillance can do in terms of find the bad guys, they need people to report those breaking the law, but joe public isn't going to care, usually its one manufacturer snitching on another to get a greater share of the market place

[shawdreamer]

so erm.....

If I take into account all this hubub about using overly powerful fpv gear....

....are these a definite no-no then?

https://www.banggood.com/1_2G-4W-4000mW-PALNTSC-Wireless-AV-FPV-VTX-Transmitter-Receiver-Combo-2-3KM-for-RC-Drone-p-1311035.html?rmmds=newArrivals&stayold=1&cur_warehouse=CN

:huh

[Cheredanine]

so erm.....

If I take into account all this hubub about using overly powerful fpv gear....

....are these a definite no-no then?

https://www.banggood.com/1_2G-4W-4000mW-PALNTSC-Wireless-AV-FPV-VTX-Transmitter-Receiver-Combo-2-3KM-for-RC-Drone-p-1311035.html?rmmds=newArrivals&stayold=1&cur_warehouse=CN

:huh

You mean aside from 75% of its freqs are illegal full stop?
1.3-1.35Ghz has the same power restrictions as 5.6-5.8Ghz in UK